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A little help with directions for star toe, please….
January Kit Questions | February 27, 2008
I am a little confused by the directions. I understand where to PM for beginning round well enough, than knit 2 rounds even, ok, got it. But….It says star toe starting with round 4 shape as follows. OK….it tells you what to do for the first 3 rounds for the size large, then jumps to all sizes starting at round 4. What about the first 3 rounds for size small and medium? Is there something missing from the directions? ETA by Alice JANUARY KIT QUESTIONS | MARCH 07, 2008
Star Toe confusion
5 Responses to “A little help with directions for star toe, please….”
hi ann
round 4 is the first round for sizes small and medium. the large starts off with more sts & pattern repeats so needs an extra decrease round.
Ahh….I see. Well, in the meantime of waiting for clarification, I went ahead and knitted 3 rounds even, and started shaping on 4. For me, it worked out fine, so maybe I needed the extra 3 rounds. So…no worries, will have to remember that for sock 2.
I think I understand what you were trying to say now, but that was a little confusing. Thanks for the clarification. -a
I loved making the sock, by the way. Other than that little confusion, I think it’s a very easy pattern to follow with fantastic results. I think it’s a pretty sock. Thank you!
It’s the coolest toe I’ve ever seen!
12 Responses to “Star Toe confusion”
On March 7th, 2008 at 5:17 pm adrienne in the bellybutton of california said:
you were only suppose to have 66 sts total for the foot…33 instep and 33 sole. how did you end up with 69?
if you have the extra sts on the sole, i would work an extra round of decreases but do the 3 decreases on the sole only so that they will follow the pattern on the instep.
i would work these decreases about 3 rounds before you actually start the first official decreases around the entire toe. if you need more detailed instructions, let me know. i am working this weekend and may not be able to sort the numbers out for you right away.
On March 7th, 2008 at 11:08 pm JaneLindberg said:
Thanks very much. I’m back on track now. jl
On March 9th, 2008 at 5:53 am Genevieve Hower said:
i had the same thing happen and i just did what adrienne suggested and it worked out fine. but, the instructions for size medium say “knit 36 sts. pm to indicate start of lace section. work 33 sts in lace pattern. pm to indicate end of lace section.” to me, that seems like one should end up with 69 stitches, not 66, which worked out fine because i found the end of the short row heel kind of gappy when it rejoined to the foot. so i can see where the confusion came from.
On March 9th, 2008 at 11:47 am Sidra said:
I was reading ahead in the instructions and was having difficlty making the math work. The instructions do say to knit 36 for the sole and knit 3 for the lace section. That adds up to 69, not 66. Thanks for the advice about decreasing 3 stiches in the sole.
On March 9th, 2008 at 7:06 pm adrienne in the bellybutton of california said:
hi genevieve & sidra
you really should have ended up with only 66 sts. you were only suppose to be rearranging the 66 sts to recenter the pattern over the instep. i am not sure how you ended up with an actual 69 sts unless you increased 3 before starting the foot.
On March 9th, 2008 at 8:30 pm Nartian said:
My guess is that in reading ahead, they are simply adding up the numbers 36 and the 33, not realizing that the pattern is shifting the start of the instep AND sole sections. I think there’s a visualization issue.
Perhaps a longer re-phrasing of this section?
For instance, once we are done w/the short row heel (ie have 2 double-wrapped stitches left), we should still have only 39 st for the heel & 27 for the instep (using the medium size numbers).
So when we knit the 36 sts across, we place the marker for the start of the instep (the “top” of the foot section), we should have 3 sts left over that would need to be “shifted” to the instep needles (or the second half of the magic loop part/second set of circs, or the dpn(s) holding the instep sts).
When we then knit those 3 sts plus the 27 for the instep, we only have 30 sts. We would then need to knit 3 more from the other half of the sock (the “sole”) including the second double-wrapped stitch - another shift of 3 sts. At this point, the second marker is placed denoting the end of the instep and the beginning of the sole section.
When we count our stitches for each half now, we should have 33 sts in each half between the markers for a total of 66 sts.
If the problem is that there are 69 sts before the start of the short row section or right at the end, then there are other issues at work here.
Clear as mud?
On March 10th, 2008 at 7:22 am adrienne in the bellybutton of california said:
hi nartian,
that is a very clear explanation of what is going on.
i think the problem may be that some people are actually ending up with the 69 sts; which is confusing me. i think i had finished numbers in the original pattern that didn’t make it to the final copy.
i will contact tina about making some clarifications for any future printings of the pattern.
off to work on my serendipitys which still are not a pair! sigh!
On March 10th, 2008 at 1:25 pm Nartian said:
I wonder if those extra 3 stitches came up with someone trying to fit in the 12 st lace repeat for the large instead of the 11 st for the medium.
On March 10th, 2008 at 2:13 pm Ann Foultz said:
I had no problem figuring out where to place marker and how to start the round. I think it’s confusing that you start shaping on round 4, but for size S & M there is no first 3 rounds. Maybe that could be worded better. Or made clearer what to do for 3 rounds for S & M.
On March 11th, 2008 at 10:58 am adrienne in the bellybutton of california said:
hi ann
the pattern does state to start with row 4 of the star toe if you are working small or medium.
On March 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm Ann Foultz said:
Actually, if you read it, what it really says is that you’re going to start shaping at round 4. It never tells you what you’re supposed to do for the first 3 rounds, or if you’re supposed to do them. Just thought it could be a little clearer. The pattern was very easy to follow, I thought, except for that one little sticking point. Just a thought….
On March 11th, 2008 at 3:01 pm adrienne in the bellybutton of california said:
it’s really hard to write patterns for multiple sizes and have everyone happy with the instructions.
and the instructions do say that rows 1-3 are for the large size sock only…so it kind of implies that row 4 is row 1 for sizes small and medium.
one doesn’t really want a long drawn out explanation for every step.
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